Vortex Extension Issues

[showler]

Admins aren't "chiming in" because they would be repeating what you've already been told.  Same thing everyone who makes this complaint has been told.

Two things before I give up on you.

1. You only know that the program functioned for what you were currently doing with it.  That doesn't mean that those extensions don't have function that are needed, just that your actions didn't call those functions at that particular time.

2. There is little point in doing more UI work to make some extensions say "remove" and others say "re-download" since almost no one ever tries to remove the hidden extensions unless told to by Nexus Mods staff and most people only try to remove the ones that aren't hidden once and then realize they aren't meant to be removed.  It's extra work for little benefit.

At any rate, have fun.  Nothing will change.  Better luck when the Nexus Mods App replaces Vortex.

[Tannin42]

44 minutes ago, alrightfck said:

Again, considering the fact that I have literally deleted both of these extensions, without initializing the auto-redownload, and the application still functions 100% as otherwise intended, that is absolute and total proof that these are not part of the "core program," but additional functionalities forced into the extensions menu. 

I do indeed understand the functional purpose and convenience of having such an auto-redownload feature, but having this implemented for these 2 specific games, and no option to enable them for the extensions of whatever games you choose, is questionable at best. Especially if those games are not even detected on the device.

I never made some arbitrary request for the developers to "make the program worse," and as it just so happens, when you right click your extensions, there is no "auto-redownload" button. What does that button say? "Remove." 

Now, I'm NOT straight up saying this definitely isn't the intended functionality of those 2 very specific extensions by the developers, but you would imagine they would label it as such if it was.

 

Considering the fact that seemingly neither of you are developers or admins with legitimate insight into the decision making processes of these things, in addition to the fact that I'm repeatedly deconstructing your (lack of) logic and reasoning, I would have to say whatever remaining input you have is very likely going to be devoid of any value whatsoever. 

If an actual admin chooses to chime in, that would be legitimately helpful. If not, than yes, I do in fact have the capacity to just ignore and forget about it.

 

It's not just two specific extensions, all extensions that ship with Vortex auto-update.
A remove button wouldn't do you much good because, again: These extensions ship with the application, the next time Vortex itself gets updated, they would be back again because they are part of the bundle.
Updating only the extensions for games you have installed also doesn't work because the extension is how Vortex knows whether the game is installed in the first place.
Finally a bugged extension could be messing with the entire application even when you're not managing the extension and then you'd still want the update. It just doesn't make sense to work around all these potential use cases to save you an amount of download that is a fraction of a single ad being served on the website.

In retrospect I do agree that we did make a mistake: These downloads just shouldn't show up. No notification, no entry in the download list, just update in the background and never inform the user it happened.

[ChemBoy1]

@alrightfck Happy now? That's the guy who developed Vortex and Mod Organizer. Telling you the exact same thing we've been saying. 

I hope that clears it up for you.

[alrightfck]

On 5/9/2025 at 1:11 PM, Tannin42 said:

 

It's not just two specific extensions, all extensions that ship with Vortex auto-update.
A remove button wouldn't do you much good because, again: These extensions ship with the application, the next time Vortex itself gets updated, they would be back again because they are part of the bundle.
Updating only the extensions for games you have installed also doesn't work because the extension is how Vortex knows whether the game is installed in the first place.
Finally a bugged extension could be messing with the entire application even when you're not managing the extension and then you'd still want the update. It just doesn't make sense to work around all these potential use cases to save you an amount of download that is a fraction of a single ad being served on the website.

In retrospect I do agree that we did make a mistake: These downloads just shouldn't show up. No notification, no entry in the download list, just update in the background and never inform the user it happened.

This does make a lot of sense, although I do want to ask: if there are more extensions set up to automate this way, why am I only experiencing this with these 2 specific extensions? Would it be that the list of bundled extensions periodically changes with Vortex updates? I'd also be interested to ask why the "bundled" extensions aren't something that can be customized? May be something to consider in the future.

 

Thank you for giving a straightforward and well-explained answer.

[alrightfck]

On 5/9/2025 at 12:38 PM, showler said:

Admins aren't "chiming in" because they would be repeating what you've already been told.  Same thing everyone who makes this complaint has been told.

Two things before I give up on you.

1. You only know that the program functioned for what you were currently doing with it.  That doesn't mean that those extensions don't have function that are needed, just that your actions didn't call those functions at that particular time.

2. There is little point in doing more UI work to make some extensions say "remove" and others say "re-download" since almost no one ever tries to remove the hidden extensions unless told to by Nexus Mods staff and most people only try to remove the ones that aren't hidden once and then realize they aren't meant to be removed.  It's extra work for little benefit.

At any rate, have fun.  Nothing will change.  Better luck when the Nexus Mods App replaces Vortex.

Again, this was a smart-ass response with little to no value at all. And you played yourself with the creators actually chiming in. Maybe reconsider some things buddy lol. 

I'll be curious if you get salty and respond to this, cuz either way, I'm never opening this thread again to see it.

Edited May 11 by alrightfck

[showler]

Yes, the former developer who no longer works for Nexus Mods "chimed in".  And told you what you had already repeatedly been told.

Both No Man's Sky and BG3 have been getting regular game updates that require regular extension updates.  Most bundled extensions don't get updated very often either because the game no longer receives updates or because those updates don't affect the extension.  But when the bundled extensions do need an update they download it automatically.

The only beneficial thing Nexus Mods could do is put extensions behind the bundled button as soon as they become required so that you won't have to see them anymore.

Edited May 11 by showler

[Tannin42]

3 hours ago, alrightfck said:

This does make a lot of sense, although I do want to ask: if there are more extensions set up to automate this way, why am I only experiencing this with these 2 specific extensions? Would it be that the list of bundled extensions periodically changes with Vortex updates? I'd also be interested to ask why the "bundled" extensions aren't something that can be customized?

Only ~90 of the game extensions are bundled, the other 300+ are community provided and those do only install when you explicitly install them.
And then you only get extension download if the extension has seen a (released) update since the last full Vortex update and that probably only affects those 2 games you're seeing updated.